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o onus da prova eh de quem afirma que psicografia eh real.
Entao fico eu no aguardo de um estudo cientifico provando ser possivel contato de qualquer tipo com pessoas que ja morreram.
outra coisa druida ta faltando uma puta dose de simancol em ti, com todo respeito.
eu tava falando do cosmos que afirma piamente que o barato eh real, mas como tu geralmente nao entende 1% do que eu digo nem vou mais me assustar com isso.

A ciência não tem métodos sufiecientes pra provar psicografia ectoplasma espiritismo, assim como não tem pra provar a maioria do universo, não é a toa que falamos em teorias e não em leis científicas, quem acha que tem, não sabe o que é ciência, assim como a maioria dos chamados cientistas... por enquanto continua sendo senso comum e questão de crença, e crenças são historinhas que cada um tem a sua, aliás eu tenho tantaaaaas rs
 
A ciencia nao tem explicacoes pra tudo, porem todas explicacoes que tem sao baseadas na observacao em laboratorio e repeticao de experiencias.
crenca eh crenca, nao convem afirmar ou desafirmar nada.
so que venhamos e convenhamos - o mais perto "do outro lado" que ja chegamos somos nos os malucoes de cogumelo.
e do outro lado nao tinha mortos.(quantos lados tem um circulo perfeito?)
 
mortos não falam,não ouven.não andam e nem sequer tem consciencia deste mundo.
druida te aconselho estudar um pouco sobre ocultismo,especialmente a "magia do caos"
que de forma direta ou não é praticada por usuarios do forun.

queria uma oportunidade com um cara com este "suposto dom",para o desafiar frente a frente.
e a prova virá a tona!
 
Já ouviram falar em Amit Goswamit? Ele é um físico nuclear com PHD em física quântica. Tem vários livros escritos sobre o paralelo entre física quântica e espiritualidade.

Numa entrevista ao Roda Viva, ele afirma que mediunidade e telepatia já foi comprovada por experimentos cienficos controlados.

A entrevista é muito interessante, pra quem se interessar:


O Roda Viva entrevista o físico nuclear indiano AMIT GOSWAMI. Considerado um importante cientista da atualidade ele tem instigado os meios acadêmicos com sua busca de uma ponte entre a ciência e a espiritualidade. Amit Goswami vive nos Estados Unidos. É PHD em física quântica e professor titular de física da Universidade de Oregon. Há mais de quinze anos está envolvido em estudos que buscam construir o ponto de união entre a física quântica e a espiritualidade. Já foi rotulado de místico, pela comunidade científica, e acabou acalmando os críticos através de várias publicações técnicas a respeito de suas idéias. Em seu livro O UNIVERSO AUTOCONSCIENTE - publicado no Brasil - ele procura demonstrar que o Universo é matematicamente inconsistente sem a existência de um conjunto superior - no caso, DEUS. E diz que, se esses estudos se desenvolverem, logo no início do terceiro milênio Deus será objeto de ciência e não mais de religião.

Eu não tenho uma opinião formada sobre mediunidade.
 
Alguns casos são bastante curiosos, mas acho que na verdade está tudo mais dentro da normalidade do que da paranormalidade.

Tratam-se de de cérebros diferentes e percepções a detalhes peculiares. Assim como os Savants tem habilidades que parecem sobrenaturais para nós, são devido a peculiariedade do cérebro deles.

Espírito é a brisa de alguém, alguem que não aceita a morte humana.

Nossa consciência é imortal e está conectada diretamente ao todo, coletar informações de lá e trazer pra cá é normal, fazemos isso tripando! =]
 
houve um mal entendido aki
eu nao acho q existem espiritos de gente morta
oq parece ser incontestaável é que CERTOS mediuns realmente conseguem pegar mensagens nao sei de onde com nomes de pessoas q eles nao conheciam mas o morto sim, me parece incontestavel mas nao é
pode ser mentira , sim, mas certas pessoas fazem coisas realmente incriveis

apoio vc morta , quem toma cogumelo vai mais longe do q qualquer um e do outro lado nao tem os mortos
espirito é a forma que os caras la viajam no q encontram no outro lado
mas se for provado q eles conseguem prever aocntecimentos com isso acho uma coisa q merece destaque da nossa visão
 
Interessante o assunto,

eu nao acredito em q a psicografia se trate de um comunicado por escrita com um espirito , existe muito aquele lance de interpretar esses acontecimentos.
O certo é que sem duvidas é uma inducao a um tipo de estado alterado de conciencia, COMcerteza nao se trata apenas de um simples fraude(apesar de tambem existir). A merda é que com tanto fanatismo e especulacao ja fica mais dificil saber oque é real e o q nao é.
 
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Tratam-se de de cérebros diferentes e percepções a detalhes peculiares. Assim como os Savants tem habilidades que parecem sobrenaturais para nós, são devido a peculiariedade do cérebro deles.
O caminho eh esse.
Assistam o filme FE DEMAIS NAO CHEIRA BEM, fala muito sobre esses "mediuns" que nada mais sao do que pessoas que tem uma percepcao extrema do sentimento de grupo, ficam atento a sinais que passam batidos as outras pessoas e que usam isso pra "canalizar" seu discurso.
(claro, uma equipe bem treinada agindo junto a eles sempre faz o show ficar muito mais coerente)
 
ae mano !!
filme muito doido heuheuheuhe, boto fé q quase todos sao desse tipo ai mesmo
mas algo em mim sabe q existem super herois nessa terra nossa
espero q nao precise criar outro topico pra postar isso
se é possivel mudar a estrutura da água com a força da mente e esse cristal pode curar doenças
pq nao seria possivel rever a cena de um crime com a mente?
 
20 December, 2005



Review and analysis of Dr. Masaru Emoto’s

published work on the effects of external stimuli

on the structural formation of ice crystals.


This paper surveys the wealth of information that was uncovered during investigation of Dr. Masaru Emoto’s claim that human thought has a direct observable effect on the structural formation of ice crystals. Upon initial review of Dr. Emoto’s published findings, I became very interested in the implications of his research and developed the initial concept for this research project, which was to review Mr. Emoto’s laboratory methodology to learn if it would be possible to test his hypothesis and reproduce his results at Castleton State College. Since the human body is composed of between 50% and 80% water, I could not help but wonder, “If thought affects the molecular structure of water, then what effect might thought have on the human bodies?”

However, after many hours of investigation it became increasingly clear that a superior purpose for this project was to review Mr. Emoto’s procedures and results for scientific validity. This revision in the original intent for this project has been very eye-opening and the findings have grounded my opinion of Dr. Emoto’s work in a concrete of scientific rigor and skepticism.

Dr. Emoto became a Doctor of Alternative Medicine at the Open International University for Alternative Medicine in India in 1992, and he has become famous throughout the world in the alternative medicine realm for his 1999 self-published book, The messages of water. Since that time, his narrative and collection of photos of ice crystals has been picked up by independent publishing companies and has grown into subsequent works, such as The hidden messages in water (HMW). Recently his work was featured in a highly controversial movie titled What the bleep do we know!? (Bleep) and published in an essay in The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine (JACM). These thrust his work into the international spotlight and portrayed his work as proven scientific research. It was because of the notoriety gained by his books and the Bleep movie that I first learned of Emoto’s fantastic claim that he has found evidence that human thought affects ice crystal formation and that the structure and level of detail of an ice crystal is an indicator of water quality.

An ice crystal is a crystal lattice of solid water molecules that is often visible to the naked eye and commonly experienced as a snowflake. The crystal exhibits the hexagonal lattice structure that is characteristic of solid water, as illustrated in the picture on the left where two views are shown of the same ice crystal molecule--where the red balls represent the oxygen atoms, and the grey spokes represent the hydrogen atoms.



Fig. 1. Ice crystal lattice scructure (Libbrecht)



Fig. 2. Ice crystal faces

According to Kenneth Lebbrecht, chairman of the department of physics at Caltech and a leading ice crystal researcher, ice crystals form arms on the crystal faces (shown in the picture above on the right). The two hexagonal faces are known as basal faces, and the six rectangular faces are known as prism faces, and the overall shape of a crystal is determined by which faces grow arms. If the basal faces grow, a columnar crystal develops, and if the basal faces grow a plate shape will develop.

Lebbrecht’s morphology diagram below illustrates that ice crystal shape is a factor of both humidity and temperature. Temperature is the most important factor, and plates tend to form in the 0°C to -3°C and -10°C to -22°C ranges (red), while columns tend to form from -3°C to -10°C and below -22°C (green). Lower humidity tends to form simpler crystal shapes, while higher humidity tends to form more intricate crystals. It is currently not known why ice crystals form different shapes at different temperatures, as the physics of how the water molecules bond to a growing ice crystal are very complex and not well understood (Libbrecht).



Fig.3. Morphology Diagram of Ice Crystal Formation (Libbrecht)

Emoto’s hypothesis has evolved over the years of his research. Initially Dr. Emoto claimed that high-quality water forms beautiful and intricate crystals, while low-quality water has difficulty forming crystals. According to Dr. Emoto, an ice crystal of distilled water exhibits a basic hexagonal structure with no intricate branching, as shown in the photo below, taken from Dr. Emoto’s website www.hado.net (Hado). This basic hexagonal crystal is the simplest form of an ice crystal.



Fig. 4. Photo of Distilled Water Crystal (Emoto, Messages)

The following images (Emoto, Messages 119) show Emoto’s selected photos of ice crystal formation from tap water sources from Paris, London, and Tokyo, respectively in figure 5 and two spring water sources from Japan on the right.



Fig.5. Photos of Tap Water Crystals (Emoto, Messages)


Fig. 6. Photos of Spring Water Crystals (Emoto, Messages)

While these first claims of Dr. Emoto may seem to make common sense, his subsequent claims are ever-increasingly more controversial. After studying the variation in water crystals from samples taken from different locations around the world, Emoto decided to study what would happen to the formation of ice crystals from distilled water after the liquid was exposed to music.

Dr. Emoto reports that he found stunning correlations between the types of music played and the quality and beauty of the ice crystals that would form upon freezing. For instance, the crystal below on the left was observed in a sample of distilled water that had been played Beethoven’s 5th Symphony, and the crystal on the right was observed in a sample of distilled water that had been played so-called “heavy metal” music (Emoto, Messages 17). It is interesting to note that this claim closely mirrors the well-known pseudoscientific and so-far unsubstantiated claim that classical music has a beneficial effect on plant growth, and rock music hinders plant growth.



Fig.7. Distilled Water Crystals after Music (Emoto, Messages)

Following his study of the effects of music on ice crystal formation in distilled water, Dr. Emoto wondered if water crystal structure might be affected by other seemingly illogical external things, such as words written on paper. In the HMW prologue, Dr. Emoto states, “It didn’t seem logical for water to ‘read’ the writing, understand the meaning, and change form accordingly. But I knew from the experiments with music that strange things could happen.”

He began by writing phrases like “thank you” and “you fool” in various languages on paper and placing the paper under the distilled water samples, and his published photos below (Emoto, Messages 7) show a surprising result. Samples that had been exposed to the words “thank you” exhibited beautiful crystals, while samples that had been exposed to the words “you fool” would not form crystals at all.



Fig. 8. Distilled Water Crystals after Written Words (Emoto, Messages)

Encouraged by his findings, Emoto began studying the effects of prayer, blessings, and spoken words. Not surprisingly, his results indicated that water crystal formation was also sensitive to these things--yielding his current hypothesis; “Molecules of water are affected by our thoughts, words, and feelings.” (Emoto, Messages cover)

Dr. Emoto’s published method of obtaining photographs of crystals involves a relatively simple and inexpensive process. 0.5 mL samples of liquid water from a specific sample are placed on 100 petri dishes that are then frozen and stored at a temperature of -25°C for three hours in a freezer. A sample is removed from the freezer for observation under a microscope with a camera in a room with a constant temperature of -5°C. As the microscope’s light melts the top of the sample, crystals are observed and photos are taken (Emoto, Healing 2).

As quoted in an interview with Jon Woodhouse published in the Maui News, Emoto stated, “I did not start out with any modern scientific background. I did not even know the limit of science to stop me from giving this research a chance.” Not having been educated in the scientific community, Emoto has been happy to do his “research” without accurately employing the scientific method. While he does employ the spirit of the scientific method in his research design, he makes critical mistakes in its rigor. For example, Emoto’s research does employ observation of a physical phenomenon, formulation of a hypothesis to explain the phenomenon, and testing and revising the hypothesis, but he makes the critical mistake of failing to minimize the influence of the experimenter’s bias on the outcome of the research.

Dr. Emoto’s procedure for photographing crystals has no controlled means of ensuring that experimenter’s bias is prevented or minimized. For example, his methodology does not ensure that the obtained results are not selected consciously or subconsciously by the photographer. In fact, in the Maui News interview, Dr. Emoto specifically stated, “I do not require any blind tests on any samples,” but rather he believes that “the researcher’s aesthetic sense and character is the most important aspect when taking crystal photographs.” Emoto’s belief that ice crystal formation is sensitive to human thought lead him to select technicians who would not affect crystal formation with negative thoughts over technicians who had formal research experience.

While it is possible that he did, in fact, discover that water has an observable sensitivity to external stimuli such as prayer and words, Dr. Emoto’s experimental design and clinical procedures do not prove the claim. A double blind procedure in which a photographer would not know what water sample he or she was photographing would make the claim considerably more credible.

Emoto’s procedure, while simple and direct, does not eliminate numerous possible sources of error. Ice crystal structural formation is dependent on numerous environmental factors, the most important of which are temperature and humidity. While Emoto minimized some possible sources of error by conducting his studies in the same room with the same sample sizes, the same freezer and same microscope each time, other possible sources of error were not addressed. For example the Petri dishes were not sealed to prevent contamination or disturbance by the operator or environment; A simple thing such as the photographer’s breath while using the microscope could affect the warming rate of the frozen sample and temperature of crystal formation, thus affecting the structure of the resultant crystal.

As Dr. Emoto has not published the entirety of his photographs, it is unknown if he ruled out or ignored crystals that did not support his hypothesis. HMW and the JACM article only contain selected photos that support his claims, and we are left to wonder what the rest of the pictures look like. His procedures state that in any given test he will photograph 100 petri dish samples, yet only one picture per test is provided to the public. Emoto also fails to publish any findings that contradict his claim (or that were at least inconclusive). No errors are currently published in the JACM article, his websites, or his HMW book that my research has been able to uncover.

It is also worth noting that Dr. Emoto’s procedures indicate that his samples are frozen at -25°C, and his ice crystals are formed at -5°C. According to Figure 3, these temperatures should produce mostly column crystals rather than plate crystals, yet not one of Emoto’s published photos show a column crystal. This makes Dr. Emoto’s data suspect (as they appear to conflict with the findings of well-respected researcher) and indicates the possibility that Emoto excluded non-supportive data from his publications.

While Emoto has published his claim in one peer reviewed journal, it has neither been substantiated nor disproved by research scientists. It is worth noting that Emoto’s Journal article is not a scientific report, but a three page long “photo essay.” Dr. Emoto, himself, stated “Even though my book, Message from Water, was first published in 1999 and has been translated in over 20 languages, I have not heard of anybody else conducting similar research” (Woodhouse). His claims resonate with “Alternative therapists, religious leaders, spiritual researchers, artists, and musicians” (Emoto, Healing 3), but it appears that his work has widely been disregarded by traditional scientists as pseudoscience that does not merit further inspection.

The only published reproduction of Emoto’s work on record was conducted by Mr. Damian Nash’s AP psychology class at Durango High School in Colorado. Despite numerous difficulties reproducing Emoto’s procedure and controlling the temperature and sample freezing and melting rates, at least the class employed a blind experimental design to eliminate the possibility of experimenter’s bias when photographing the water samples. As published on the website of the Institute of Noetic Sciences on May 25, 2004, Mr. Nash states that the team “did not find sufficient evidence to refute or accept Emoto’s hypothesis that thought influences water crystal formation.”

There are innumerable companies today that make their livelihoods selling information and products that are supposed to be beneficial to human health. Ranging from miracle cures to last-ditch efforts, they are at best based on unsubstantiated ideas, and are at worst complete falsehoods. Unfortunately for his credibility with the scientific community, Dr. Emoto sells products based on his claims. For example, the products page of Emoto’s Hado website is currently offering “geometrically perfect” “Indigo water” that is “highly charged hexagonally structured concentrate,” and supposedly creates “structured water” that is “is more easily assimilated at the cellular level” for $35 for an eight-ounce bottle. Without providing scientific research references for the allegedly amazing qualities of his Indigo Water, Emoto’s commercial venture calls to mind ethical concerns regarding his intent and motivation—questions that would not be present if any scientist had published research supporting his claims.

At the very least Dr. Emoto’s claims are interesting thought stimulators. If they are true, then there are far reaching implications for the world, and the question that is posed in the Bleep movie becomes extremely important; “If thoughts can do this to water, what can they do to us?” Many people in our modern age want desperately to believe that we can affect our reality by our thoughts alone—a belief that is bolstered by Emoto’s claims. But if they are false, then he is misleading all of them and manipulating their hopes and view of the world.

Since Dr. Emoto is going it alone he receives much criticism for being a quack selling quackery. For example, the James Randi Educational foundation, an organization that offers a “one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event” (Randi, Challenge) has offered to give Dr. Emoto the prize if he will agree “to perform his tests in a double-blind fashion” (Randi, Water), yet Dr. Emoto has not responded.

It is this crucial lack of scientific foundation that prevents Dr. Emoto’s work from attracting interest by widely accepted and respected scientists at long-standing research institutions. This is unfortunate for the world if there is, after all, truth to his claims--as reproduction of his results by any scientist would lend much credence to his work. A little change in Emoto’s experimental design would do great things for the credibility of his claims. I recommend the following to ground his work in sound scientific principle:

Eliminate the possibility of the scientist’s bias affecting the experiment’s results by implementing double blind procedures.
Publish the entire collection of photos for all water sample tests that he has performed, not just the ones that support his claim.
Minimize the sources of possible error in his procedures, such as variation in temperature and humidity between sample.
Pay more attention to the time-tested methods of the scientific community rather than disregarding them. Emoto’s research could go much farther if he could interest scientists around the world in testing his hypothesis.
After the lengthy review of Emoto’s research methods and results, I have come to believe that Dr. Emoto is offering pseudoscience to the masses in the guise of defensible research. Only time and review by others will tell if there is any truth at the heart of Mr. Emoto’s claims, as Emoto himself thoroughly believes in his findings but does not value the scientific method or community. What is truly fearsome is the great numbers of people that accept his words as proven facts without looking deeper to find out if his claims are truly justified. While I respect Dr. Emoto’s desire to save the Earth’s water from contamination and pollution, unless he can produce a scientific paper and get it published in a scientific journal, I believe that he will continue to be ignored by the scientific community, and his claims will never be soundly proved or disproved.

(todas imagens em: http://www.is-masaru-emoto-for-real.com/ )


so pra economizar, eh falso isso ae tb druida.
 
Li batsnate sobre essa história da estrutura da água, nunca achei nenhum estudo bem controlado, mesmo assim me fascina..
psicografia e previsão do futuro pode ser estranho, mas pára pra pensar que a gente ve aproximadamente 24-25 quadros por segundo, mas as nossas células do olho são estimuladas a cada 12 milissegundos, tem muitas entrelinhas não perceptíveis, que a gente capta, mas são "meio" bloqueadas (codificadas) e filtradas o que chega a consciencia linguistica é muito pouco
a paranormalidade é pq a gente nao sabe se existe ou nao existe, qdo a gente souber vai entrar pros preceitos da normalidade..
por enquanto tudo é especulação.. mas pode ser chamado de metira, ilusão etc também!
 
Li batsnate sobre essa história da estrutura da água, nunca achei nenhum estudo bem controlado, mesmo assim me fascina..
psicografia e previsão do futuro pode ser estranho, mas pára pra pensar que a gente ve aproximadamente 24-25 quadros por segundo, mas as nossas células do olho são estimuladas a cada 12 milissegundos, tem muitas entrelinhas não perceptíveis, que a gente capta, mas são "meio" bloqueadas (codificadas) e filtradas o que chega a consciencia linguistica é muito pouco
a paranormalidade é pq a gente nao sabe se existe ou nao existe, qdo a gente souber vai entrar pros preceitos da normalidade..
por enquanto tudo é especulação.. mas pode ser chamado de metira, ilusão etc também!
existe um premio proposto desde 2001 de um milhao de dolares(ou seriam libras) pra qualquer pessoa que prove qualquer "evento paranormal" diante de uma bancada de cientistas.
ate hoje ninguem "mordeu" o milhao.
O premiador se chama James Randi.
 
existe um premio proposto desde 2001 de um milhao de dolares(ou seriam libras) pra qualquer pessoa que prove qualquer "evento paranormal" diante de uma bancada de cientistas.
ate hoje ninguem "mordeu" o milhao.
O premiador se chama James Randi.

Eu vi isso Mortan, num lembrava do nome do cara, valeu
e por enquanto... quebre meu dedo, num é?!
 
fala muito sobre esses "mediuns" que nada mais sao do que pessoas que tem uma percepcao extrema do sentimento de grupo, ficam atento a sinais que passam batidos as outras pessoas e que usam isso pra "canalizar" seu discurso.
(claro, uma equipe bem treinada agindo junto a eles sempre faz o show ficar muito mais coerente)

Isso é o fato.

existe um premio proposto desde 2001 de um milhao de dolares(ou seriam libras) pra qualquer pessoa que prove qualquer "evento paranormal" diante de uma bancada de cientistas.
ate hoje ninguem "mordeu" o milhao.

Isso é o que decorre através deste fato.

=]
 
Da psicografia para os cristais de Emoto, tudo em um mesmo tópico, e com abundantes evidências colhidas no Youtube.
 
Da psicografia para os cristais de Emoto, tudo em um mesmo tópico, e com abundantes evidências colhidas no Youtube.

ahahahahaha (risada psicografada de jesus de nazareti)
 
Eu acho que o polvo Paul e o cara que está a trinta anos se alimentando de luz deveriam levar o milhão.:D:D

Mas acho ridículo também alguém que oferece dinheiro pra provarem uma coisa dessas. Os verdadeiros mestres devem rir de tais humanos...

A paranormalidade é algo normal e até mesmo inteligível, para quem está além do "normal".
 
q cara é esse????????
30 anos sem comer nada?
me mostra isso ai broder

já o polvo eu acho q presisaria de mais pesquisas em cima dakilo
 
Da psicografia para os cristais de Emoto, tudo em um mesmo tópico, e com abundantes evidências colhidas no Youtube.

heheehehe podem rir avontade, eu tambem dou muitas gargalhadas lendo coisas aki
pq nao postam coisas estranhas ai tb??? nao presisa ser do yutube nao

se nao for muito trabalho eu te peço pra mudar o titulo do topico pra coisas q poderiam ganhar um milhao do cara lá
 
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